No one in Charessa Fryc’s family believes in cutting back on carbon emissions: not her family in the Philippines, on the mainland or here in Hawaii. She struggles to even casually bring up the subject at the dinner table.
鈥淚t gets really hard because it is emotional for me,鈥 the University of Hawaii student said. “But even if you have the facts and figures as soon as you get emotional … you lose.”
If she wants her family to use less plastic, it鈥檚 up to her to supply the reusable flatware. The responsibility also falls on her to collect and wash the plates, cups and silverware after the meal.
鈥淪ometimes they鈥檒l be like 鈥榃hy do you even bring that stuff?鈥 which makes me sad because it鈥檚 important to me to use my green kit and yet I still feel like I鈥檓 being made fun of,鈥 she said.
Only 45% of adults in Hawaii discuss the issues at least occasionally, despite the state having the largest percentage of adults who believe in global warming.
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Those numbers, which come from a 2019 Yale poll, worry some experts and Hawaii residents working to stop climate change.
The latest episode of 鈥溾 addresses how to talk about climate change without losing friends or offending family.
Josh Stanbro, , said focusing on the effects of climate change people are already seeing and feeling is a great way to open the conversation.
鈥淵ou can talk about ice caps melting, but that doesn’t really have people perk up their ears,鈥 he said. 鈥淲hen you talk about trade winds dying in our islands 鈥 people understand that. They know they’ve got to try to keep their windows open. They’re buying fans now. They’re buying air conditioning in their homes.鈥
Stanbro said he understands why people might be skeptical about climate change. The fossil fuel industry has . Stanbro likens it to the tobacco industry鈥檚 initial denial of the links between cigarettes and lung cancer.
But if someone is skeptical about climate change, bringing up the fact that fossil fuel companies could make them feel defensive.
No one wants to feel stupid or hear that they鈥檝e been duped.
Instead, Stanbro recommends spreading some aloha. Offer to buy a family member a fan to deal with warmer temperatures or organize a work party to install hurricane clips on your neighbor鈥檚 house.
鈥淒oing something to help protect somebody as an offering of good faith is a great way to start a conversation because it’s hard to impugn somebody, to feel like you’re being attacked, when somebody is actually offering to get you a fan,鈥 he said.
The Nature Conservancy's tips
1. Meet people where they are.
2. Connection outweighs facts.
3. The goal is conversation, not conquest.
4. Focus on the person across from you.
It鈥檚 a strategy that worked for Trae Menard, The Nature Conservancy鈥檚 director of forest conservation on Kauai.
鈥淚 think the people in Hawaii are very in tune with the plight of endangered species, more so than anywhere else in the country as far as I can tell, particularly endangered birds,鈥 he said.
The 2018 storm that flooded much of the island was also a wake-up call for many of his friends who were skeptical about climate change.
鈥淭he idea that this is going to impact how we live in the future, I think is really starting to drive the point home that, yes, climate change is real and it’s something that we need to deal with,鈥 he said.
It was hard for his friends to admit they were wrong, and Menard doesn鈥檛 think it鈥檚 productive to make anyone feel bad. So he focuses on conversation, not competition.
鈥淎s soon as you dismiss their belief that shuts down the conversation right there, then it becomes personal,鈥 he said. 鈥淵ou don’t ever want to challenge their intelligence or come off as superior.鈥
But you don鈥檛 need to be a scientist to bring up possible solutions to climate change, Menard said. He鈥檚 found success when talking about how we could avoid air pollution, smog and oil spills by transitioning to different energy sources.
鈥淥nce you start to tie it to the benefits that we would all enjoy outside of just solving the climate change issue 鈥 I think people are open to that,鈥 he said.
It鈥檚 easier to ignore stressful topics like climate change, but that won鈥檛 lead to solutions.
鈥淐limate is not one of those things that we can avoid talking about because our lives depend on it, our kids welfare depends on it,” Stanbro said.
In Stanbro’s experience if politicians, elected officials and community leaders only hear people complain about potholes, they’re going to focus on potholes, not clean energy.
鈥淲e have to be able to articulate what are we gonna do, how are we gonna move forward and how we’re gonna make sure that we’re protecting ourselves against the impacts,鈥 he said.
鈥淎re We Doomed? And Other Burning Environmental Questions鈥 is funded in part by grants from the Environmental Funders Group of the Hawaii Community Foundation and the Frost Family Foundation.
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